Mr. Scratch : >...the BF has traditionally been viewed in a negative sense, as a >distortion and twisting of nature. [...] My work with the Black Flame actually agrees with yours, as a BTW; though I don't see the Black Flame as anything more than a part of consciousness that is little explored. LaVey's aesthetic tastes indicate that he worked with the current we are talking about also; films like "The Cabinet of Dr Caligari" or "Metropolis" are dead giveaways, as is the law of the trapezoid. One could make the argument that the black flame is a symbol of the local neg-entropy of life itself. ix@io.com (Lupo LeBoucher) ========================= One of the things that attracted many Satanists to the CoS (and still attracts them to Satanism in general) is the Miltonian image of Satan as the intelligent, prideful, questioning, independent rebel angel, who would not take orders and would not shut up and play ignorant. It is one of the halmarks of the best people that Satanism has to offer that they have these things in common. They do not accept things of faith, they question authority. They are not ruled over, they do not submit. These attributes are embodied in the Setian ideal of independent intelligence. It is our attempt to account for man's drive to not only master himself but to master his environment. Ours is an attempt to explain why the human willpower is such that it places us at a terrific advantage in regards to the rest of the animal kingdom, and hints at what other possibilities are in store for us. This is the driving element of the Black Flame, which has impact on us both as individuals, and in our race's reach for absolute godhood. If this embodiment of isolate intelligence is a genuine phenomenon, then the source of this "gift" might be considered the "principle of Isolate Intelligence". Mr. Scratch ===========================================